Re: Re: distro
By: Dumas Walker to DAITENGU on Sat Dec 23 2017 10:38 am

You don't know what you're talking about.
1. Heartbleed was a bug in OpenSSL. OpenSSL is not "part of Linux". it is a cryptographic library/toolkit. It is available and used on Solaris, Linux, MacOS, QNX, the various BSD OSes, OpenVMS, Microsoft Windows and even OS/400. think there's an OS/2 port as well, but don't hold me to that.

So basically it affected Windows and Macs, too? :)

If Windows the Mac computers ran a TLS/SSL server that used OpenSSL, yes. Microsoft's IIS for example, does not use OpenSSL. Apache and Tomcat for Windows, for example, do use OpenSSL, so they were vulnerable.

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Also if a firm go belly up your stuck with no evolution and support when with >an open source project someone else is free to pick it up.

I know DOS is dead and all, but one product I wish would have been released open source when the owner abandonded it was Desqview... well, that and
QEMM. Someone bought Quarterdeck, IIRC, and then let those products die.

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Re: Re: distro
By: Dumas Walker to ENNEV on Sat Dec 23 2017 06:14 pm

I know DOS is dead and all, but one product I wish would have been released open source when the owner abandonded it was Desqview... well, that and QEMM. Someone bought Quarterdeck, IIRC, and then let those products die.

That would have been interesting. I'm not sure what development would have been done on it if it was open-sourced though.. I know there are open-source DOS projects still around (FreeDOS and OpenDOS), but it seems there isn't much of any official DOS support anymore and hasn't been for a long time. If someone is going to run DOS these days, it would probably be on an old PC or in an emulation environment, and in either case, I'd expect the original QEMM and Desqview to work (hopefully). If it would need tweaks to work in emulated machine, then perhaps it would be useful to open-source it.

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As has been stated already, I'm pretty sure Linux has a review process NI>any random code doesn't permanently become part of Linux.

Absolutely.

HAHAHA

Not sure what that is supposed to mean, other than show that you don't understand how open source / Linux software development works.

You should do a little homework so you can understand. Just for
starters, ALL code that becomes a permanent part of Linux is approved by
ONLY one or two guys. You can easily find out their names if you want
to. Impress us and come back with what you find out!


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Re: Re: distro
By: Ennev to Dumas Walker on Sat Dec 23 2017 09:49 am

Also if a firm go belly up your stuck with no evolution and support when with an open source project someone else is free to pick it up.

or it can be taken over by losers who bastardize the code until it's a shad MR>of its former self.

Once again you show that you don't understand how open source software development works. Bravo!


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Re: Re: distro
By: Gamgee to MRO on Sat Dec 23 2017 09:49 pm

As has been stated already, I'm pretty sure Linux has a review process NI>any random code doesn't permanently become part of Linux.

Absolutely.

HAHAHA

Not sure what that is supposed to mean, other than show that you don't understand how open source / Linux software development works.

You should do a little homework so you can understand. Just for
starters, ALL code that becomes a permanent part of Linux is approved by ONLY one or two guys. You can easily find out their names if you want
to. Impress us and come back with what you find out!

you guys are trying to WIN the argument by CHANGING the argument.
i'm not playing that game.

i'm not going to do homework for you and i'm not here to impress you.
i think this is the first time i've seen you post as well.
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Re: Re: distro
By: Gamgee to MRO on Sat Dec 23 2017 09:50 pm

or it can be taken over by losers who bastardize the code until it's a shad MR>of its former self.

Once again you show that you don't understand how open source software development works. Bravo!

first, you are quoting me on things i have not said.

or it can be taken over by losers who bastardize the code until it's a shadow of its former self.

also i have seen this happen with my own eyes
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Re: Re: distro
By: MRO to Gamgee on Sat Dec 23 2017 11:12 pm

or it can be taken over by losers who bastardize the code

shad MR>>until it's a of its former self.

Once again you show that you don't understand how open source software
development works. Bravo!

first, you are quoting me on things i have not said.

I saw you post what he quoted in an earlier message.

or it can be taken over by losers who bastardize the code until it's
a shadow of its former self.

also i have seen this happen with my own eyes

That's the same thing that he quoted above.

Nightfox

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i'm not comparing windows and linux.
linux has its share of dangerous exploits. i'm just saying that open source is
not safe and people shouldnt blindly consider it as such.

I would tend to agree with this statement. Open source is no more safe
than anything else. Back when Windows had an overwhelming dominance, most exploits were written for it. Now that linux (and other open source) have
been around for awhile, no doubt it is making a better target of itself.

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That would have been interesting. I'm not sure what development would have been done on it if it was open-sourced though.. I know there are open-source

Well, I am thinking more "at the time" than now. It still had room for a
few improvements as machines got more powerful, and probably had a bug or
two that could have been fixed. IIRC, when it was abandonded, it was still
the only true multitasker that was readily available to the general
public... well, besides OS/2 multitasking.

I have also wondered what Desqview (and Desqview/X) might have become if it
had been open source and could have been ported to *nix. :)

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or it can be taken over by losers who bastardize the code until it's a shadow of its former self.

also i have seen this happen with my own eyes

Some versions of old door games that were open sources, or hacked, come to mind.

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Re: Re: distro
By: Nightfox to MRO on Sat Dec 23 2017 10:12 pm

first, you are quoting me on things i have not said.

I saw you post what he quoted in an earlier message.

he was quoting another person and his editor was tacking on mro> in the quoting.

That's the same thing that he quoted above.

you're confused. ennev posted part of those quotes.
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Re: Re: distro
By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Sun Dec 24 2017 08:56 am

or it can be taken over by losers who bastardize the code until it's a shadow of its former self.

also i have seen this happen with my own eyes

Some versions of old door games that were open sources, or hacked, come to mind.

it's not just old stuff. its been happening for a long time. we can give a lot of bbs related examples, though. it's not just in the bbs world.

what i'm saying in this whole thread is just because something is open source, it doesnt mean that its SAFER. infact, there have been many many issues that have slipped past hundreds of people.

you cant blindly trust anybody[people you do not know], or anything.
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Re: Re: distro
By: Dumas Walker to NIGHTFOX on Sun Dec 24 2017 08:55 am

I have also wondered what Desqview (and Desqview/X) might have become if it had been open source and could have been ported to *nix. :)

*nix has native support for multi-tasking.. I'm not sure what the advantage would be of having DesqView ported to *nix. Unless it had other features that I've forgotten about.

Nightfox

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Re: Re: distro
By: MRO to Nightfox on Sun Dec 24 2017 01:44 pm

he was quoting another person and his editor was tacking on mro> in the quoting.

That's because you wrote what was being quoted.

That's the same thing that he quoted above.

you're confused. ennev posted part of those quotes.

I don't think I'm confused. You included the same quote of yours, one with the mro in front of it and again without.

Nightfox

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Re: Re: distro
By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Sun Dec 24 2017 08:39 am

i'm not comparing windows and linux.
linux has its share of dangerous exploits. i'm just saying that open source is
not safe and people shouldnt blindly consider it as such.

I would tend to agree with this statement. Open source is no more safe
than anything else. Back when Windows had an overwhelming dominance, most exploits were written for it. Now that linux (and other open source) have been around for awhile, no doubt it is making a better target of itself.

I think open source software has the *potential* to be more safe than closed source, but that really depends on how many people or organizations are interested in improving it. With closed source, you only have one organziation with the ability to improve the quality, while with open source, you have the *potential* for a large number of organizations and indivuduals to look/scan/test/improve.

That said, I think most open source software doesn't really get any more attention to quality than it would if it were closed. <shrug>

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Re: Re: distro
By: Gamgee to MRO on Sat Dec 23 2017 09:49 pm

As has been stated already, I'm pretty sure Linux has a review process NI>any random code doesn't permanently become part of Linux.

Absolutely.

HAHAHA

Not sure what that is supposed to mean, other than show that you don't understand how open source / Linux software development works.

You should do a little homework so you can understand. Just for starters, ALL code that becomes a permanent part of Linux is approved by ONLY one or two guys. You can easily find out their names if you want to. Impress us and come back with what you find out!

you guys are trying to WIN the argument by CHANGING the argument.
i'm not playing that game.

Huh? Are you claiming you didn't say that "anybody can put any random
code into Linux" (I'm paraphrasing there)? I didn't change the
argument, I simply said that wasn't true. There is VERY strict control
on what code gets added/modified in Linux. Really, it's true.

i'm not going to do homework for you and i'm not here to impress you.

I already know the names, and was using that as a point to help you
understand how Linux development works. I guess you still don't know.

i think this is the first time i've seen you post as well.

Probably not the first, but what would that matter, anyway? I recently
got back into calling BBS's and using offline mail.


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Re: Re: distro
By: Gamgee to MRO on Sat Dec 23 2017 09:50 pm

or it can be taken over by losers who bastardize the code until it's shad MR>of its former self.

Once again you show that you don't understand how open source software development works. Bravo!

first, you are quoting me on things i have not said.

You're claiming you didn't say the above about losers bastardizing the
code?

or it can be taken over by losers who bastardize the code until it's a shadow of its former self.

also i have seen this happen with my own eyes

Generally speaking, if losers screw up the code that way, the program in question is no longer used by others (since it now sucks), and said
program is abandoned/ignored. The correct term for this would be losers
who "fork" some code into something else, but the original code is not
"taken over" or ruined. Please try to learn more about this.


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Re: Re: distro
By: Nightfox to MRO on Sun Dec 24 2017 12:29 pm

I don't think I'm confused. You included the same quote of yours, one with the mro in front of it and again without.

no it had mro for both

do you want a fucking screenshot or will you stop being autistic
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Re: Re: distro
By: Gamgee to MRO on Sun Dec 24 2017 04:12 pm

Huh? Are you claiming you didn't say that "anybody can put any random
code into Linux" (I'm paraphrasing there)? I didn't change the

yes you are paraphrasing!

I already know the names, and was using that as a point to help you understand how Linux development works. I guess you still don't know.

well good for you
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Re: Re: distro
By: Gamgee to MRO on Sun Dec 24 2017 04:15 pm

first, you are quoting me on things i have not said.

You're claiming you didn't say the above about losers bastardizing the
code?

oh jesus christ.
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Re: Re: distro
By: MRO to Nightfox on Sun Dec 24 2017 09:38 pm

I don't think I'm confused. You included the same quote of yours, one
with the mro in front of it and again without.

no it had mro for both

do you want a fucking screenshot or will you stop being autistic

I got a screenshot for you: http://www.digitaldistortionbbs.com/screenshots/mro-quotes_2017-12-23.png

Nightfox

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Re: Re: distro
By: Nightfox to MRO on Sun Dec 24 2017 10:31 pm

no it had mro for both

do you want a fucking screenshot or will you stop being autistic

I got a screenshot for you: http://www.digitaldistortionbbs.com/screenshots/mro-quotes_2017-12-23.png

like i said, you are confused. stop worrying about it.
that isnt even the correct thing to quote.

i explained what his editor did.
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Re: Re: distro
By: Gamgee to MRO on Sun Dec 24 2017 04:15 pm

first, you are quoting me on things i have not said.

You're claiming you didn't say the above about losers bastardizing the code?

oh jesus christ.

Well, it's his birthday.

You didn't answer the question, though.


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Re: Re: distro
By: Dumas Walker to DAITENGU on Sat Dec 23 2017 10:38 am

You don't know what you're talking about.
1. Heartbleed was a bug in OpenSSL. OpenSSL is not "part of Linux".
it is a cryptographic library/toolkit. It is available and used on
Solaris, Linux, MacOS, QNX, the various BSD OSes, OpenVMS, Microsoft
Windows and even OS/400. think there's an OS/2 port as well, but don't
hold me to that.

So basically it affected Windows and Macs, too? :)

Any place that used the OpenSSL Library to do A Thing. The exploit was specifically written for the https protocol, but it likely could have been exploited other ways, too.

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you cant blindly trust anybody[people you do not know], or anything.

Agreed!

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*nix has native support for multi-tasking.. I'm not sure what the advantage would be of having DesqView ported to *nix. Unless it had other features that
I've forgotten about.

I think I was thinking as a desktop flavor... tap the alt key a couple of times, etc....

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no it had mro for both
do you want a fucking screenshot or will you stop being autistic

I think you were channeling through another user. :D

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Re: Re: distro
By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Tue Dec 26 2017 05:07 pm

no it had mro for both
do you want a fucking screenshot or will you stop being autistic

I think you were channeling through another user. :D

probably someone under control of my bbs botnet that kk4qbn accused me of running.
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probably someone under control of my bbs botnet that kk4qbn accused me of running.

LOL.

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